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	<title>Comments on: Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 3 &#8211; Restraint (Dale)</title>
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		<title>By: trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 7 - Resolution by Rational Reinterpretation (Dale)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so far at two ways Christians may respond to apparently contradictory doctrines: Redirection and Restraint. We now move on to a third strategy: Resolution. In brief, the Resolver holds that the apparent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 5 - Aquinas on Implicit Faith (Dale)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] exploring the response of Restraint - when confronted with an apparently contradictory doctrine, might it not be a good idea for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matthew,

Thanks for the comment. It seems to me that the issue of God is infinitely more important than whether or not current physics is (mostly? nearly?) true. So what if I form false beliefs about physics (unless, of course, I&#039;m a physicist, or am designed bombs or something). But false beliefs about God may thwart or hinder my most important relationship - with God. And it could affect what religious group I join, how I spend a good portion of my income, my sex life, where I school my kids, etc. I take it this is why you&#039;re not moved by my reasons for moving away from the stance of Restraint about theological difficulties.

I know it&#039;s fashionable among mainstream analytic philosophers to defer to scientists, but I&#039;m very wary of that. I see many scientists (1) so wrapped in practical concerns that they&#039;re not too worried about the truth or rationality of their views, (2) propounding metaphysical claims based on current theories, not realizing the giant non sequiturs they&#039;re committing. And more disturbingly, the more developed my own philosophical views are, the more I hold views which physicists tend to assume are false. E.g. presentism, theism, libertarian free will, dualism. So I&#039;m wary of treating them as experts in any truly philosophical (or theological) matters. Finally, (3) some form of moderate non-realism about scientific theories is far from crazy. The more history of science you know, then more this point gets drilled into you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. It seems to me that the issue of God is infinitely more important than whether or not current physics is (mostly? nearly?) true. So what if I form false beliefs about physics (unless, of course, I&#8217;m a physicist, or am designed bombs or something). But false beliefs about God may thwart or hinder my most important relationship &#8211; with God. And it could affect what religious group I join, how I spend a good portion of my income, my sex life, where I school my kids, etc. I take it this is why you&#8217;re not moved by my reasons for moving away from the stance of Restraint about theological difficulties.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s fashionable among mainstream analytic philosophers to defer to scientists, but I&#8217;m very wary of that. I see many scientists (1) so wrapped in practical concerns that they&#8217;re not too worried about the truth or rationality of their views, (2) propounding metaphysical claims based on current theories, not realizing the giant non sequiturs they&#8217;re committing. And more disturbingly, the more developed my own philosophical views are, the more I hold views which physicists tend to assume are false. E.g. presentism, theism, libertarian free will, dualism. So I&#8217;m wary of treating them as experts in any truly philosophical (or theological) matters. Finally, (3) some form of moderate non-realism about scientific theories is far from crazy. The more history of science you know, then more this point gets drilled into you.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/369/comment-page-1#comment-88784</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in many ways in agreement with your post and I&#039;ve run similar kinds of arguments. I do have a worry and I&#039;m curious as to how you&#039;d address it. 

It looks like I have restraint with regards to lots of things that I say about physics. I believe that the sentences I utter about quantum mechanics express truths, truths that some people have found quite important, but I can&#039;t profess to understand or be able to explicate the theories (doctrines) that underlie these things that I express. However, I feel confidant that I can point you to someone who can explain the truths expressed by my utterances. The thing is, I don&#039;t feel at all motivated by any of your three reasons to inquire more into matter, and further, it seems perfectly reasonable for me not to pursue inquiry. So, what is it that distinguishes the religious case from physics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in many ways in agreement with your post and I&#8217;ve run similar kinds of arguments. I do have a worry and I&#8217;m curious as to how you&#8217;d address it. </p>
<p>It looks like I have restraint with regards to lots of things that I say about physics. I believe that the sentences I utter about quantum mechanics express truths, truths that some people have found quite important, but I can&#8217;t profess to understand or be able to explicate the theories (doctrines) that underlie these things that I express. However, I feel confidant that I can point you to someone who can explain the truths expressed by my utterances. The thing is, I don&#8217;t feel at all motivated by any of your three reasons to inquire more into matter, and further, it seems perfectly reasonable for me not to pursue inquiry. So, what is it that distinguishes the religious case from physics?</p>
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		<title>By: trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 4 - Restraint and Implicit Faith (Dale)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] way to deal with an apparently contradictory doctrine in your religion is the response of Restraint. There&#8217;s a connection here, with the medieval Catholic doctrine of &#8220;implicit [...]</description>
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