Comments on: Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 2 – Redirection (Dale) http://trinities.org/blog/archives/367 theories about the father, son, and holy spirit Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:44:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 20 - Resolution by Revision (Dale) http://trinities.org/blog/archives/367/comment-page-1#comment-89311 trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 20 - Resolution by Revision (Dale) Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:42:31 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=367#comment-89311 [...] Redirectors, Revisers don’t change the subject. Unlike Resisters, they don’t claim we should just [...] [...] Redirectors, Revisers don’t change the subject. Unlike Resisters, they don’t claim we should just [...]

]]> By: trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 7 - Resolution by Rational Reinterpretation (Dale) http://trinities.org/blog/archives/367/comment-page-1#comment-88816 trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 7 - Resolution by Rational Reinterpretation (Dale) Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:55:41 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=367#comment-88816 [...] looked so far at two ways Christians may respond to apparently contradictory doctrines: Redirection and Restraint. We now move on to a third strategy: Resolution. In brief, the Resolver holds that [...] [...] looked so far at two ways Christians may respond to apparently contradictory doctrines: Redirection and Restraint. We now move on to a third strategy: Resolution. In brief, the Resolver holds that [...]

]]> By: trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 3 - Restraint (Dale) http://trinities.org/blog/archives/367/comment-page-1#comment-88767 trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 3 - Restraint (Dale) Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:28:50 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=367#comment-88767 [...] Last time we briefly explored Redirection, the first of our four ways to respond to apparent contradictions in theology. [...] [...] Last time we briefly explored Redirection, the first of our four ways to respond to apparent contradictions in theology. [...]

]]> By: Dale http://trinities.org/blog/archives/367/comment-page-1#comment-88763 Dale Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:37:42 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=367#comment-88763 Brandon - I think you're talking about what I call Resolution or Resistance... stay tuned and see if you agree. Putting it differently, the delaying you're talking about isn't mere delaying, but rather asking for the patience to hear a positive reply. Brandon – I think you’re talking about what I call Resolution or Resistance… stay tuned and see if you agree. Putting it differently, the delaying you’re talking about isn’t mere delaying, but rather asking for the patience to hear a positive reply.

]]> By: Brandon Watson http://trinities.org/blog/archives/367/comment-page-1#comment-88762 Brandon Watson Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:24:42 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=367#comment-88762 I'm not sure that the only two options are that the Redirector either is not arguing in defense of X or is committing the red herring fallacy. For instance, it could be that the Redirector regards the objection as ill-founded, and thinks that the other person will come to see that if other points are laid down first. There's a great example of this in Socrates -- who actually redirects quite a bit, especially when directly dealing with Sophists -- in the Gorgias; Socrates never directly answers Callicles's arguments -- as pro-Callicles thinkers like Nietzsche have occasionally pointed out -- because his whole position is that the entire viewpoint within which Callicles is making his objection is defective. If you have the worldview of Socrates, Callicles's arguments look straightforwardly absurd; thus the best response to Callicles is to try to get Callicles to set his argument aside for a moment and appreciate those things that make Socrates's whole point of view preferable. So Redirection sometimes <i>is</i> a defense of X. So there does seem to be a genuine Redirection that's not, as you would suggest, either ignoratio elenchi or red herring. (I also think it's pretty clear in real-life cases of Redirection that this is what people are at least usually <i>trying</i> to do, even if they aren't doing it very well. But that's a different issue.) I’m not sure that the only two options are that the Redirector either is not arguing in defense of X or is committing the red herring fallacy. For instance, it could be that the Redirector regards the objection as ill-founded, and thinks that the other person will come to see that if other points are laid down first. There’s a great example of this in Socrates — who actually redirects quite a bit, especially when directly dealing with Sophists — in the Gorgias; Socrates never directly answers Callicles’s arguments — as pro-Callicles thinkers like Nietzsche have occasionally pointed out — because his whole position is that the entire viewpoint within which Callicles is making his objection is defective. If you have the worldview of Socrates, Callicles’s arguments look straightforwardly absurd; thus the best response to Callicles is to try to get Callicles to set his argument aside for a moment and appreciate those things that make Socrates’s whole point of view preferable. So Redirection sometimes is a defense of X. So there does seem to be a genuine Redirection that’s not, as you would suggest, either ignoratio elenchi or red herring.

(I also think it’s pretty clear in real-life cases of Redirection that this is what people are at least usually trying to do, even if they aren’t doing it very well. But that’s a different issue.)

]]> By: trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 1 - the four R’s (Dale) http://trinities.org/blog/archives/367/comment-page-1#comment-88758 trinities - Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 1 - the four R’s (Dale) Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:52:50 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/?p=367#comment-88758 [...] Next time: Redirection. [...] [...] Next time: Redirection. [...]

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