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	<title>Comments on: Fred Sanders on Oneness Pentecostalism, Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: "Just Duke It"</title>
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		<description>Isaiah 44:6 (KJV) 
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 
Isaiah 44:8 (KJV) 
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. 
Notice: GOD Said BESIDE ME! God of the old testament did not see God the son or God the Holy Spirit as 2nd and 3rd persons; odd don&#039;t you think that this 3rd century dogma that has evolved from the suppression of true bible believers to the point of burning them and taking their lives for nor confessing a trinity; that God himself confesses against and can&#039;t be convinced of.  
People, people, people why do you want to speak for God when he has spoken for himself; you act like you would teach Him something he does not know.
Well keep on you will have your chance to try to convince HIM that he is some manmade doctrine when you see Him face to face.


Isaiah 44:24 (KJV) 
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; 
Come on guy&#039;s the rest is easy;  El-o-heem the plural nature of God in &quot;Head&quot; or headwaters; you know;  In - The - Be-ginning, first fruits, Gen 1:1 is where everything flows from; including his &quot;Only Begotten&quot; FLESH, Lamb, 2nd Adam, lion of the tribe of Judah, God with us, first fruits.
You know we could continue this for a long time Right.  
Modalism:  Where did you get this word; trying to help out old brother Webster I see.  It&#039;s ok, we will let it pass.  All the rhetoric Sanders so philosophically presented is a bad advertisement for the post middle age brothers of his; seems they were far advance in the trinity man made stuff that had so many killed.
   Colossians 2:8-10 (KJV) 
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 


Come on now Paul clearly let us know here that the Father, son, Holy Spirit and all of El=o-heem dwells in the glorified, ascended, complete; i.e. visible manifestation of the invisible Father.  The Lamb/Flesh of God in its Manifestation of atonement perfection gave the blood of God; the only DNA of God naturally born of woman through supernatural means.  
  Revelation 1:7-8 (KJV) 
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {Zec.13:6-9}
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 
Revelation 4:2 (KJV) 
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 
The only one Person of God that will be seen is Jesus who sets with the Father; because he completed the Rahkaf of El-o-heem the person of God through the only begotten Son/Flesh.
 Colossians 1:14-23 (KJV) 
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 

One Person who is Jesus who Manifest the Father; which by the way the father is pleased that Jesus is First and by this promotion from the invisible Father is pleased to dwell in Jesus in all fullness.
  John 12:45 (KJV) 
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 
John 8:24 (KJV) 
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 
John 10:9 (KJV) 
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 
John 10:25 (KJV) 
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father&#039;s name, they bear witness of me. 
John 14:6 (KJV) 
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 
STOP: denying the father&#039;s promotion of his son/flesh/image as first and only Person from whom flows the head waters of the Hebraic first 3 words of genesis; as it pleased the father that in Jesus all fullness and preeminence would dwell; to deny the biblical promotion of the son is to deny the father&#039;s power of placement; to do so is error and the spirit of error
  1 John 4:6 (KJV) 
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 
1 John 5:7 (KJV) 
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.   { Not 3; dd}
1 John 5:10 (KJV) 
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 
1 John 5:11-14 (KJV) 
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 
1 John 5:20-21 (KJV) 
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. 

with all sincerity do a complete study of the word name {singular} in the new testament; making a special mark in your bible and notating  all the scripture where it is found.  You will have a hard time going back to the dogma of the trinity.

it’s a dare.
See you in Sunday school….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaiah 44:6 (KJV)<br />
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.<br />
Isaiah 44:8 (KJV)<br />
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.<br />
Notice: GOD Said BESIDE ME! God of the old testament did not see God the son or God the Holy Spirit as 2nd and 3rd persons; odd don&#8217;t you think that this 3rd century dogma that has evolved from the suppression of true bible believers to the point of burning them and taking their lives for nor confessing a trinity; that God himself confesses against and can&#8217;t be convinced of.<br />
People, people, people why do you want to speak for God when he has spoken for himself; you act like you would teach Him something he does not know.<br />
Well keep on you will have your chance to try to convince HIM that he is some manmade doctrine when you see Him face to face.</p>
<p>Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)<br />
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;<br />
Come on guy&#8217;s the rest is easy;  El-o-heem the plural nature of God in &#8220;Head&#8221; or headwaters; you know;  In &#8211; The &#8211; Be-ginning, first fruits, Gen 1:1 is where everything flows from; including his &#8220;Only Begotten&#8221; FLESH, Lamb, 2nd Adam, lion of the tribe of Judah, God with us, first fruits.<br />
You know we could continue this for a long time Right.<br />
Modalism:  Where did you get this word; trying to help out old brother Webster I see.  It&#8217;s ok, we will let it pass.  All the rhetoric Sanders so philosophically presented is a bad advertisement for the post middle age brothers of his; seems they were far advance in the trinity man made stuff that had so many killed.<br />
   Colossians 2:8-10 (KJV)<br />
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.<br />
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.<br />
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: </p>
<p>Come on now Paul clearly let us know here that the Father, son, Holy Spirit and all of El=o-heem dwells in the glorified, ascended, complete; i.e. visible manifestation of the invisible Father.  The Lamb/Flesh of God in its Manifestation of atonement perfection gave the blood of God; the only DNA of God naturally born of woman through supernatural means.<br />
  Revelation 1:7-8 (KJV)<br />
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {Zec.13:6-9}<br />
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.<br />
Revelation 4:2 (KJV)<br />
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.<br />
The only one Person of God that will be seen is Jesus who sets with the Father; because he completed the Rahkaf of El-o-heem the person of God through the only begotten Son/Flesh.<br />
 Colossians 1:14-23 (KJV)<br />
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:<br />
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:<br />
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:<br />
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.<br />
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.<br />
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;<br />
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.<br />
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled<br />
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:<br />
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; </p>
<p>One Person who is Jesus who Manifest the Father; which by the way the father is pleased that Jesus is First and by this promotion from the invisible Father is pleased to dwell in Jesus in all fullness.<br />
  John 12:45 (KJV)<br />
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.<br />
John 8:24 (KJV)<br />
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.<br />
John 10:9 (KJV)<br />
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.<br />
John 10:25 (KJV)<br />
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father&#8217;s name, they bear witness of me.<br />
John 14:6 (KJV)<br />
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.<br />
STOP: denying the father&#8217;s promotion of his son/flesh/image as first and only Person from whom flows the head waters of the Hebraic first 3 words of genesis; as it pleased the father that in Jesus all fullness and preeminence would dwell; to deny the biblical promotion of the son is to deny the father&#8217;s power of placement; to do so is error and the spirit of error<br />
  1 John 4:6 (KJV)<br />
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.<br />
1 John 5:7 (KJV)<br />
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.   { Not 3; dd}<br />
1 John 5:10 (KJV)<br />
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.<br />
1 John 5:11-14 (KJV)<br />
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.<br />
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.<br />
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.<br />
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:<br />
1 John 5:20-21 (KJV)<br />
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.<br />
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. </p>
<p>with all sincerity do a complete study of the word name {singular} in the new testament; making a special mark in your bible and notating  all the scripture where it is found.  You will have a hard time going back to the dogma of the trinity.</p>
<p>it’s a dare.<br />
See you in Sunday school….</p>
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		<title>By: ANNIEYEA</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-90539</link>
		<dc:creator>ANNIEYEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think as a person who understands the tree unity of GOD i have separeted the father,The Son and The Holy Spirit.... and we have to remamber the disciples of Jesus clearly said may the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ, the LOVE of God, and the FELLOSHIP of The Holy Spirit be with you all. This clearly shows who i am about God is not gone show us any thing different He has left His Holy Word for us to know who He is as it dont matter to you what we say i suppose your explination of mathew.3:16 is Jesus doing all the act and not The Father speeking and The Holy Hpirit desending up on Jesus it is realy not about how i put it it is about how it is according to The Word Of God. Unless we think Jesus was only playing illusion we His followers to think Him not as The Father,Son and Holy Spirit Him being God remains as one and HiM being revield as Three distinctive person matters in His work so i dont see why he would say to you it is not the way to think of Him as a Triunity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think as a person who understands the tree unity of GOD i have separeted the father,The Son and The Holy Spirit&#8230;. and we have to remamber the disciples of Jesus clearly said may the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ, the LOVE of God, and the FELLOSHIP of The Holy Spirit be with you all. This clearly shows who i am about God is not gone show us any thing different He has left His Holy Word for us to know who He is as it dont matter to you what we say i suppose your explination of mathew.3:16 is Jesus doing all the act and not The Father speeking and The Holy Hpirit desending up on Jesus it is realy not about how i put it it is about how it is according to The Word Of God. Unless we think Jesus was only playing illusion we His followers to think Him not as The Father,Son and Holy Spirit Him being God remains as one and HiM being revield as Three distinctive person matters in His work so i dont see why he would say to you it is not the way to think of Him as a Triunity</p>
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		<title>By: revburr</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-90347</link>
		<dc:creator>revburr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go Ryan!  My Christianity did not really work  until I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, then I had the revelation that Jesus was God in flesh.  I was re-baptized in the name of Jesus according to the biblical model and sin was not longer an issue in my life.  John 7:37 led me to an apostolic church, &quot;from your inner most being shall flow rivers of living water.&quot;  All these theologians don&#039;t now what they are missing.  Dry Christianity is a thing of the past!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Ryan!  My Christianity did not really work  until I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, then I had the revelation that Jesus was God in flesh.  I was re-baptized in the name of Jesus according to the biblical model and sin was not longer an issue in my life.  John 7:37 led me to an apostolic church, &#8220;from your inner most being shall flow rivers of living water.&#8221;  All these theologians don&#8217;t now what they are missing.  Dry Christianity is a thing of the past!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Carr</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-28285</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh ya, something that I forgot to say was that this was a little off topic, but it is something that I really wanted to share about the article on, &quot;Fred Sandersâ€™ piece.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh ya, something that I forgot to say was that this was a little off topic, but it is something that I really wanted to share about the article on, &#8220;Fred Sandersâ€™ piece.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Carr</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-28284</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hay,  I am a 17 year old oneness and never started to believe in the UPC doctrine, until I received the beautiful baptism of the Holy Ghost.  God, reviled to me who he is, i am not an expert on doctrine or theology, but I know that the new testament is full of believers getting baptized in the name of the  Lord, Jesus Christ.  They were baptized in that name. the name isn&#039;t &quot;the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit,&quot; but the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is Jesus.  We as oneness Pentecostals are not in any way denying the deity of the Lord, because He is God. That is his deity. 
    I am studying the Hebrew language, and that language is full of clues of who God is.  The first letter of the of the Aleph-Bet is Aleph meaning, &quot;One,&quot; implying  that God is one, and God&#039;s name is El in Hebrew and that starts with that letter.  Even God&#039;s name shows his oneness.  If God is one in the Old Testament then why is He a Trinity in the New?  There is just so much that i have felt from God and He just never showed me that He was a Trinity.  
     It does not matter what you say to prove the trinity, God is who He is, and that is all. (Period)  I have seen Trinitarians make really great arguments and I can not refute them, but all I know is the One true  God.  That is deeply implanted within my heart and my sole, thanks to Him.  
     Something we all will agree on is that God is an awesome God and we can find salvation in Him.  

God Bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hay,  I am a 17 year old oneness and never started to believe in the UPC doctrine, until I received the beautiful baptism of the Holy Ghost.  God, reviled to me who he is, i am not an expert on doctrine or theology, but I know that the new testament is full of believers getting baptized in the name of the  Lord, Jesus Christ.  They were baptized in that name. the name isn&#8217;t &#8220;the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit,&#8221; but the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is Jesus.  We as oneness Pentecostals are not in any way denying the deity of the Lord, because He is God. That is his deity.<br />
    I am studying the Hebrew language, and that language is full of clues of who God is.  The first letter of the of the Aleph-Bet is Aleph meaning, &#8220;One,&#8221; implying  that God is one, and God&#8217;s name is El in Hebrew and that starts with that letter.  Even God&#8217;s name shows his oneness.  If God is one in the Old Testament then why is He a Trinity in the New?  There is just so much that i have felt from God and He just never showed me that He was a Trinity.<br />
     It does not matter what you say to prove the trinity, God is who He is, and that is all. (Period)  I have seen Trinitarians make really great arguments and I can not refute them, but all I know is the One true  God.  That is deeply implanted within my heart and my sole, thanks to Him.<br />
     Something we all will agree on is that God is an awesome God and we can find salvation in Him.  </p>
<p>God Bless!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Downs</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty, so why would waste your time on something you find &quot;a waste of time?&quot;

Of course these are important issues.  We are talking about the very nature of God.

Usually those who think these types of discussions are a waste of time are atheists or ill-informed Christians (who think theology is a dirty word).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty, so why would waste your time on something you find &#8220;a waste of time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course these are important issues.  We are talking about the very nature of God.</p>
<p>Usually those who think these types of discussions are a waste of time are atheists or ill-informed Christians (who think theology is a dirty word).</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the whole arguement a waste of time, God is one. I hold neither the badge of oneness nor trinitarian.  We are to believe God is one, not argue over who explains it better. Move on! people are going to hell everyday and we argue over this.</description>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Fred. Didn&#039;t have the patience to read it all now, but the following quote highlights some of their motivations. First sentence in the second paragraph looks like a &lt;em&gt;non sequitur&lt;/em&gt; to me.
&lt;blockquote&gt;This teaching says that Jesus Christ did not come to earth in the same flesh as the rest of humanity. Using Hebrews 10:5 which states that God prepared a body for Jesus, the divine flesh doctrine says that Jesus came in flesh that was heavenly, rather than in flesh like ours. An issue in question by the believers of divine flesh is how Jesus could be born of a woman without sin being imparted to Him. The question of whether or not humans are born sinful seems to be the origin of the doctrinal changes made by the divine flesh proponents in their effort to maintain Christâ€™s purity.  Job 14:4 is used to demonstrate the view of the divine flesh doctrine: â€œWho can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.â€ Hermeneutically, it is suspect to determine a doctrine based on Job, a book of poetic genre.  In effort to answer the question of a sinful nature, beliefs such as docetism, gnosticism, apollinarianism, monophysitism, and the doctrine of the Trinity were born.
Proponents of the divine flesh doctrine believe that if we say that Christ is from the biological seed of the woman, then it would be true that we believe that Christ has a sinful Adamic nature, which in the sight of God would be blasphemy.  Bible Writersâ€™ Theology says, â€œIf the word â€˜seed of womanâ€™ is the biological seed of Adamâ€¦ we can dare say Jesus has a sinful nature. Since human flesh and blood is not an acceptable means of atonement for the sins of mankind, and because it cannot inherit the kingdom of God, Christ cannot possess earthly flesh at all.â€  Also, Gezahagne wrote that Adam and Christ had the greatest affiliation in both being â€œdirectly begotten by God.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Fred. Didn&#8217;t have the patience to read it all now, but the following quote highlights some of their motivations. First sentence in the second paragraph looks like a <em>non sequitur</em> to me.</p>
<blockquote><p>This teaching says that Jesus Christ did not come to earth in the same flesh as the rest of humanity. Using Hebrews 10:5 which states that God prepared a body for Jesus, the divine flesh doctrine says that Jesus came in flesh that was heavenly, rather than in flesh like ours. An issue in question by the believers of divine flesh is how Jesus could be born of a woman without sin being imparted to Him. The question of whether or not humans are born sinful seems to be the origin of the doctrinal changes made by the divine flesh proponents in their effort to maintain Christâ€™s purity.  Job 14:4 is used to demonstrate the view of the divine flesh doctrine: â€œWho can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.â€ Hermeneutically, it is suspect to determine a doctrine based on Job, a book of poetic genre.  In effort to answer the question of a sinful nature, beliefs such as docetism, gnosticism, apollinarianism, monophysitism, and the doctrine of the Trinity were born.<br />
Proponents of the divine flesh doctrine believe that if we say that Christ is from the biological seed of the woman, then it would be true that we believe that Christ has a sinful Adamic nature, which in the sight of God would be blasphemy.  Bible Writersâ€™ Theology says, â€œIf the word â€˜seed of womanâ€™ is the biological seed of Adamâ€¦ we can dare say Jesus has a sinful nature. Since human flesh and blood is not an acceptable means of atonement for the sins of mankind, and because it cannot inherit the kingdom of God, Christ cannot possess earthly flesh at all.â€  Also, Gezahagne wrote that Adam and Christ had the greatest affiliation in both being â€œdirectly begotten by God.â€</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Fred Sanders</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t researched this &quot;divine flesh&quot; thing yet, but the key author is Ethiopian mega-pastor Teklemariam Gezahagne, and his key book is &quot;Bible Writersâ€™ Theology.&quot;  You can get a report on it by one UPCI author at http://www.ugst.org/symposium02.htm, download paper #11 by Vonelle Kelly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t researched this &#8220;divine flesh&#8221; thing yet, but the key author is Ethiopian mega-pastor Teklemariam Gezahagne, and his key book is &#8220;Bible Writersâ€™ Theology.&#8221;  You can get a report on it by one UPCI author at <a href="http://www.ugst.org/symposium02.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ugst.org/symposium02.htm</a>, download paper #11 by Vonelle Kelly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, bro. Keep up the good work - I&#039;ve been learning a lot from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, bro. Keep up the good work &#8211; I&#8217;ve been learning a lot from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Sanders</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/23/comment-page-1#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale, thanks for doing this important work right out here in public where everybody can watch or even join in.  And of course I&#039;m honored that one of my articles got attention and analysis from you.  As for the comics, don&#039;t pay a high price for them.  They should be available at normal cost from this site: http://www.christianity101online.com/Purchase.html#DR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale, thanks for doing this important work right out here in public where everybody can watch or even join in.  And of course I&#8217;m honored that one of my articles got attention and analysis from you.  As for the comics, don&#8217;t pay a high price for them.  They should be available at normal cost from this site: <a href="http://www.christianity101online.com/Purchase.html#DR" rel="nofollow">http://www.christianity101online.com/Purchase.html#DR</a></p>
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