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		<title>By: trinities - Refutation of &#8220;Oneness&#8221; Theology in Rap Form (Dale)</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-94003</link>
		<dc:creator>trinities - Refutation of &#8220;Oneness&#8221; Theology in Rap Form (Dale)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check it out this rap &#8220;Godhead&#8221; by Flame. Comes with bonus sermon [...]</description>
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		<title>By: trinities - The Evolution of My Views on the Trinity – Part 2 (Dale)</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-93832</link>
		<dc:creator>trinities - The Evolution of My Views on the Trinity – Part 2 (Dale)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rather &#8220;the Godhead&#8221; which exists in the three. &#8220;Godhead&#8221; here must mean not the Trinity, but rather the divine nature; that they share this, makes thee Three amount to just one god, and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SVM</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91870</link>
		<dc:creator>SVM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale,

I don&#039;t think that &quot;Godhead is triune&quot; is trivial since, as you mention, we can use it as a plural referring term that picks out the Father, Son, and Spirit as distinct persons. It does not necessarily entail that they are united in a Trinitarian way.

Mormons use the term too, but they don&#039;t mean that the divine person enjoy any sort of ontological unity; only that they are functionally united.

Thus, orthodox Christians can say that &quot;Godhead is triune&quot; whereas Mormons might say that &quot;Godhead is a trokia.&quot; In this sense, maybe it&#039;s a useful term for social Trinitarians who want to distinguish between social Trinitarianism and rank tritheism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;Godhead is triune&#8221; is trivial since, as you mention, we can use it as a plural referring term that picks out the Father, Son, and Spirit as distinct persons. It does not necessarily entail that they are united in a Trinitarian way.</p>
<p>Mormons use the term too, but they don&#8217;t mean that the divine person enjoy any sort of ontological unity; only that they are functionally united.</p>
<p>Thus, orthodox Christians can say that &#8220;Godhead is triune&#8221; whereas Mormons might say that &#8220;Godhead is a trokia.&#8221; In this sense, maybe it&#8217;s a useful term for social Trinitarians who want to distinguish between social Trinitarianism and rank tritheism.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91848</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments. I couldn&#039;t be happier that my choice of pic so riled JT. :-) Of course, it is a god_head. 

Thanks for the comments.

SVM - If &quot;the Godhead&quot; is just a plural referring term which pics out Father, Son, and Spirit, then it looks like &quot;The Godhead is triune&quot; is close to trivial. But if &quot;Godhead&quot; means the divine nature - this is the older usage - then the sentence would say something substantial - that the unique divine nature - presumably thought of here as an individual and concrete thing, is triple or threefold in *some* way or other. &quot;The Godhead is tripersonal&quot; would be more specific yet. 

About &quot;Godhead&quot; in the KJV - I believe all of these instances are now translated as something like &quot;the divine nature&quot;. So, this is the older usage. I&#039;m pretty sure you will never find the newer usage I highlight in my post in any Bible translation. You may, however, find it in the accompanying notes or articles. (At some future date, I&#039;m going to post on the invasion of ST ideology into certain study Bible materials.)

Anonmous - I agree with your comments. Can you pass along any evidence of Mormon influence? As I recall, they&#039;re close to the ST camp, or perhaps the tritheistic camp, and I could see why they would need a term like this. Talking of the &quot;Trinity&quot;, for them, would wrongly insinuate that they agree with the creeds...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. I couldn&#8217;t be happier that my choice of pic so riled JT. <img src='http://trinities.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Of course, it is a god_head. </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.</p>
<p>SVM &#8211; If &#8220;the Godhead&#8221; is just a plural referring term which pics out Father, Son, and Spirit, then it looks like &#8220;The Godhead is triune&#8221; is close to trivial. But if &#8220;Godhead&#8221; means the divine nature &#8211; this is the older usage &#8211; then the sentence would say something substantial &#8211; that the unique divine nature &#8211; presumably thought of here as an individual and concrete thing, is triple or threefold in *some* way or other. &#8220;The Godhead is tripersonal&#8221; would be more specific yet. </p>
<p>About &#8220;Godhead&#8221; in the KJV &#8211; I believe all of these instances are now translated as something like &#8220;the divine nature&#8221;. So, this is the older usage. I&#8217;m pretty sure you will never find the newer usage I highlight in my post in any Bible translation. You may, however, find it in the accompanying notes or articles. (At some future date, I&#8217;m going to post on the invasion of ST ideology into certain study Bible materials.)</p>
<p>Anonmous &#8211; I agree with your comments. Can you pass along any evidence of Mormon influence? As I recall, they&#8217;re close to the ST camp, or perhaps the tritheistic camp, and I could see why they would need a term like this. Talking of the &#8220;Trinity&#8221;, for them, would wrongly insinuate that they agree with the creeds&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonmoos</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91837</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonmoos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R.R. -- Is it used as a straightforward (now old-fashioned) translation of Latin divinitas, Greek theotes, or in the development of meaning under discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.R. &#8212; Is it used as a straightforward (now old-fashioned) translation of Latin divinitas, Greek theotes, or in the development of meaning under discussion?</p>
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		<title>By: R.R.</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91822</link>
		<dc:creator>R.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s used in W.G. Shedd&#039;s dogmatic theology, dated to the 1894.

I also found it in Jonathan Edwards&#039; Unpublished essay on the Trinity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s used in W.G. Shedd&#8217;s dogmatic theology, dated to the 1894.</p>
<p>I also found it in Jonathan Edwards&#8217; Unpublished essay on the Trinity</p>
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		<title>By: JT Paasch</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91815</link>
		<dc:creator>JT Paasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to go on about this, but what&#039;s with that dude&#039;s beard? Is that, like, a bunch of barnacles stuck to his chin? Maybe I should stop shaving and follow suit. If I go down in history, . . . . rad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to go on about this, but what&#8217;s with that dude&#8217;s beard? Is that, like, a bunch of barnacles stuck to his chin? Maybe I should stop shaving and follow suit. If I go down in history, . . . . rad.</p>
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		<title>By: JT Paasch</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91814</link>
		<dc:creator>JT Paasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever it is, they have their eyes closed, and I don&#039;t even know what that&#039;s supposed to mean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever it is, they have their eyes closed, and I don&#8217;t even know what that&#8217;s supposed to mean!</p>
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		<title>By: JT Paasch</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91813</link>
		<dc:creator>JT Paasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is -- is that picture a picture of . . . the Godhead? Or, like, Marcus Aurelius?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is &#8212; is that picture a picture of . . . the Godhead? Or, like, Marcus Aurelius?</p>
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		<title>By: SVM</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91787</link>
		<dc:creator>SVM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue might be something like this:

* God is triune.
* But when we say &quot;God,&quot; as such, we are usually speaking of the Father; we are speaking of a &quot;he.&quot;
* And, since we often replace &quot;God&quot; with the pronoun &quot;he,&quot; we are tempted to think that &quot;God is triune&quot; is equivalent to &quot;he is triune.&quot;
* But, of course, there is no triune person. The Trinity encompasses three divine persons, but no single divine person is triune. So who does &quot;he&quot; refer to?
* We need a way to refer to the Trinity that doesn&#039;t succumb to the &quot;God&quot;/&quot;he&quot; confusion.
* The statement &quot;The Trinity is triune&quot; is analytic and uninformative.
* &quot;Godhead is triune&quot; is informative since &quot;Godhead&quot; can be understood to refer to the Father, Son, and Spirit in union but not necessarily trinitarian union.
* Thus, Mormons and orthodox Christians, and even Arians, can speak of Godhead as the union of the Father, Son, and Spirit but orthodox Christians are saying something unique and informative by saying that &quot;Godhead is triune.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue might be something like this:</p>
<p>* God is triune.<br />
* But when we say &#8220;God,&#8221; as such, we are usually speaking of the Father; we are speaking of a &#8220;he.&#8221;<br />
* And, since we often replace &#8220;God&#8221; with the pronoun &#8220;he,&#8221; we are tempted to think that &#8220;God is triune&#8221; is equivalent to &#8220;he is triune.&#8221;<br />
* But, of course, there is no triune person. The Trinity encompasses three divine persons, but no single divine person is triune. So who does &#8220;he&#8221; refer to?<br />
* We need a way to refer to the Trinity that doesn&#8217;t succumb to the &#8220;God&#8221;/&#8221;he&#8221; confusion.<br />
* The statement &#8220;The Trinity is triune&#8221; is analytic and uninformative.<br />
* &#8220;Godhead is triune&#8221; is informative since &#8220;Godhead&#8221; can be understood to refer to the Father, Son, and Spirit in union but not necessarily trinitarian union.<br />
* Thus, Mormons and orthodox Christians, and even Arians, can speak of Godhead as the union of the Father, Son, and Spirit but orthodox Christians are saying something unique and informative by saying that &#8220;Godhead is triune.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AnonMoos</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91785</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonMoos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t like the word all that much, since it conveys almost no meaning to the uninitiated, and the presence of &quot;head&quot; (in this context, an archaic variant of the &quot;-hood&quot; suffix) can be rather confusing to those who aren&#039;t familiar with old fashioned language (not to mention that the main other semi-surviving word with this &quot;head&quot; suffix is &quot;maidenhead&quot;).

As for the recent resurgence in usage with a specialized, dare I suggest Mormon influence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t like the word all that much, since it conveys almost no meaning to the uninitiated, and the presence of &#8220;head&#8221; (in this context, an archaic variant of the &#8220;-hood&#8221; suffix) can be rather confusing to those who aren&#8217;t familiar with old fashioned language (not to mention that the main other semi-surviving word with this &#8220;head&#8221; suffix is &#8220;maidenhead&#8221;).</p>
<p>As for the recent resurgence in usage with a specialized, dare I suggest Mormon influence?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91783</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I have no idea. And, it seems a bit odd to me. In scholastic texts you&#039;ll find the locution &quot;in divinis&quot;, which can be translated &quot;in God&quot;, &quot;in divine matters&quot;, &quot;in the divinity&quot;. Of course, the best translation is shaped by the context and use of the phrase. In any case, this seems to be loosely akin to this current &quot;Godhead&quot;, nevertheless it is broader. &#039;Cause, it don&#039;t entail social or anti-social trinitarian theology. It&#039;s just a fill in phrase for when someone wants to say something about The Creator of All Things, or who could&#039;ve been the creator of all things but decided not to be. Typically &quot;in divinis&quot; is contrasted with &quot;in creaturis&quot; (in creatures). In any case, this is a case of a loose phrase that is vaguely akin to this &quot;godhead&quot; talk, but it isn&#039;t committed social or anti-social trinitarian theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I have no idea. And, it seems a bit odd to me. In scholastic texts you&#8217;ll find the locution &#8220;in divinis&#8221;, which can be translated &#8220;in God&#8221;, &#8220;in divine matters&#8221;, &#8220;in the divinity&#8221;. Of course, the best translation is shaped by the context and use of the phrase. In any case, this seems to be loosely akin to this current &#8220;Godhead&#8221;, nevertheless it is broader. &#8216;Cause, it don&#8217;t entail social or anti-social trinitarian theology. It&#8217;s just a fill in phrase for when someone wants to say something about The Creator of All Things, or who could&#8217;ve been the creator of all things but decided not to be. Typically &#8220;in divinis&#8221; is contrasted with &#8220;in creaturis&#8221; (in creatures). In any case, this is a case of a loose phrase that is vaguely akin to this &#8220;godhead&#8221; talk, but it isn&#8217;t committed social or anti-social trinitarian theology.</p>
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		<title>By: SVM</title>
		<link>http://trinities.org/blog/archives/1194/comment-page-1#comment-91781</link>
		<dc:creator>SVM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The KJV uses &quot;Godhead&quot; three times: Romans 1:20; Acts 17:29; Colossians 2:9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The KJV uses &#8220;Godhead&#8221; three times: Romans 1:20; Acts 17:29; Colossians 2:9.</p>
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