Comments on: Trinity Monotheism Part 9: Some final thoughts and objections http://trinities.org/blog/archives/115 theories about the father, son, and holy spirit Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:44:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dale http://trinities.org/blog/archives/115/comment-page-1#comment-40181 Dale Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:48:25 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/archives/115#comment-40181 <p>Hi Mark,</p> <p>They certainly "preserve the persons", in that they think they are three eternally distinct things in God. But what sorts of things? As best I can tell, collections of God's thoughts. (They use the term "center of consciousness" - but who is conscious here? God, the one soul involved.) In saying this, they make Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ways that God is, in the sense of properties he has or actions he performs.</p> <p>Re: the whole/parts thing. Do you think that most trinitarians, when they say that Christ is "fully divine" would accept that being explained to mean, that he's a part of the one God? Anecdotally, I hear people saying that each of the three isn't any mere part of God but is rather "all of God". (Not that it's clear what they mean by that!)</p> Hi Mark,

They certainly “preserve the persons”, in that they think they are three eternally distinct things in God. But what sorts of things? As best I can tell, collections of God’s thoughts. (They use the term “center of consciousness” – but who is conscious here? God, the one soul involved.) In saying this, they make Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ways that God is, in the sense of properties he has or actions he performs.

Re: the whole/parts thing. Do you think that most trinitarians, when they say that Christ is “fully divine” would accept that being explained to mean, that he’s a part of the one God? Anecdotally, I hear people saying that each of the three isn’t any mere part of God but is rather “all of God”. (Not that it’s clear what they mean by that!)

]]> By: Mark Porter http://trinities.org/blog/archives/115/comment-page-1#comment-39574 Mark Porter Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:54:43 +0000 http://trinities.org/blog/archives/115#comment-39574 Well, you asked for thoughts... Whilst I'm not really convinced by everything they're trying to say, I think some of your critique also misses the mark a bit for me. I don't think their doctrine is modalist, but then maybe I misunderstand the term. They seem to preserve the persons well enough, and be careful enough in doing so. I also buy the whole/parts, ways of being divine thing a lot more than you do, I think it has some weight to it. Well, you asked for thoughts… Whilst I’m not really convinced by everything they’re trying to say, I think some of your critique also misses the mark a bit for me. I don’t think their doctrine is modalist, but then maybe I misunderstand the term. They seem to preserve the persons well enough, and be careful enough in doing so. I also buy the whole/parts, ways of being divine thing a lot more than you do, I think it has some weight to it.

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